Tuesday, September 12, 2006

CIA Prisons and Gitmo

there was a request below to talk more about the CIA prisons. This whole thing has me concerned. The president has moved 14 "high value targets" from our 'secret prisons'. This is as by the numbers Karl Rove as it gets:

Bush wants the congress to put into law all the illegal procedures he just assumed on his own. He's been getting heat over gitmo. So what does he do? he puts the true nasty guys on display. THESE are the people he claims gave us 50% of our Al Qeada intelligence came from these 14 guys. now he'll be able to put a face on gitmo. they'll no longer just be some nameless guys who might actually be innocent. They'll have the 14 worst to point to during any debate. When it comes to pitching the new laws, they'll be able to say THESE rules are what we used on the 14. they will say THIS is what kept us safe for the last 5 years. The Iraq war will be blended into the war on terrorism and they will try to ride this all the way into the elections.

the good or bad of any of this...the prisons, the prisoners, the laws...whatever. it is meaningless at this point. there's no policy involved. it's all about trying to work the one thing the public hasn't given up on when it comes to the GOP. this is their only bet as a national policy.

the problem for me is that i actually think it will work for them. It isn't that the Democrats have no answer to this. it's that they don't have a good articulation of a unified answer to this. I guess that's my worst case scenerio. the saving grace? GOP candidates have been reluctant to carry the water on this because Bush is so unpopular. the desire is to localize their races. THAT may be what hamstrings this national GOP push. If the Democrats don't get better at framing the debate now, it won't get easier in the future.

5 comments:

Swirly in DC said...

WELL...a) The GOP gets us on EVERYTHING these days b/c WE can't articulate really "borophil" complex things to random joe blow....b) our idiot president has a majority of idiots thinking that Saddam ordered the attacks on 9/11/01....

p.s. wish you were here for bill maher on friday night- LIVE FROM DC

Polly said...

I just don't know. I think lots of our leadership have a more trouble articulating our positions than i did when i was still in school.

p.s.

I wish i were ON Bill Maher on Friday nights! I'd be a great guest (in my own mind).

Swirly n DC said...

C) YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE GIFT OF MAKING EVERYTHING EASY TO UNDERSTAND TO JOE BLOW (Read: ME)...you have ALWAYS ALWAYS made it seem ridiculous to think anything else other than your argument...remember sitting in Jay and Elle Green's kitchen as you made me feel like I should have to ask permission to breathe for saying I wasn't sure how I felt about the death penalty.....I was not only a "whatever that jason pollan is...i want to be" ...but I was SOLD on the Pollan mystique....

Swirly n DC said...

OH, I hope when I come back to MS that Fred knows that YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO WATCH REAL TIME WITH ME....

You could at least watch it at a normal time now b/c each week I AM KILLING MYSELF thinking "OMG, I hope Jase is watching"....

Polly said...

i don't think my head fits in this office anymore.